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What we can learn from nurses

The story of nursing education and regulation offers some wisdom for financial advisers trying to navigate the forced professional standards mess. 

by William Johns
January 15, 2018
in Opinion
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Financial advisers have long advocated for better education standards. I think we all want to see those fly-by “quick accreditation” courses gone for good.

I was recently talking to a colleague of mine, telling him how FASEA legislation is forcing advisers to prove their past education is an “approved qualification” or they must go back to university. He replied by saying “jeez, this sounds a lot like what we had to do as nurses back in the 1980s”.

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And so I decided to look into this further, as it is a precedent nevertheless. Plus, no doubt many of those who know me will tell you of my interest in public health.

So the story goes: in early 1976 the government commissioned a report (the Sax Report) to look into the nursing sector.

The report concluded there were problems with hospital-based training, with variations of quality of nurse education. The report recommended huge changes to how nurses are to be educated and ultimately it was decided that education must be transferred to the tertiary sector.

This report signalled to nurses that a new education framework was going to come about, but it didn’t upset them too much because they wanted this. You see, the standard of care was different from hospital to hospital so nurses found it frustrating to move jobs, learn skills, etc. A stream-lined approach was needed. But they also didn’t want to pay for their education.

After much debating, lobbying and uncertainty, a consensus was reached on education of registered nurses at tertiary levels. The legislation to enable the transfer to university-based training passed on 24 August 1984.

The transfer was staggered across 1985-1993, with each state setting its own time-table. By 1994, all registered nursing education was located in the universities as an undergraduate degree.

Funding

It was agreed that nursing tertiary education expenses would be met by governments. This was a direct result of a huge amount of honest, tough and determined advocacy by nursing bodies and stakeholders to ensure the feasibility of the legislation. The government Senate reports also recognised that the economic cost to individual nurses and universities would be huge. After all, you are sending everyone without a tertiary degree back to university in bulk.

And so it was agreed that the funding of nursing in higher education was shared by the state and territory governments (75 per cent) and the Commonwealth (25 per cent).

Universities ended up getting lots of money to develop courses, expand facilities, train new staff, and students got their education without the financial burden. Things changed in 1994 and beyond as universities moved to the “Relative Funding Model”, which basically meant that universities received government grants, as well as charge students to remain sustainable. As for nurses, their degrees became Commonwealth Supported Placements (heavily subsidised).

Education

Some interesting points to observe is that universities initially argued for a four-year bachelor’s course, which is of course good from an education point of view, but was turned down due to the economics being too expensive. Faced with the reality their request was not going to be entertained, they then agreed the bachelor’s would be three years.

Care guidelines change according to advances in medical practices and technology, so the education went from 1,000 hours to 1,200 hours in a three-year education period.

To future-proof the quality of education, a huge part was to be dedicated to the use of technology and best practice processes to equip nurses with the rapid changes in medical technology, monitoring and testing of patients. Essentially, the courses were designed with technology and patient care in mind.

Immediate drop-off

According to government data, a decline in nurses was recorded to be 5,893 nurses between 1994-2000 and the reason given is “likely to be due, at least in part, to the drop in numbers of hospital-based training nurses upgrading their qualifications”.

This was problematic, and further influenced the government policy to keep subsidising the nursing degrees to attract newcomers.

Key facts

Here are some very interesting points that we can learn from:

  • Nurses were given five years “heads up” to pursue qualifications;
  • From initiation of the transition up to 1994, the governments met the costs of the transition;
  • From 1 January 1994, the Commonwealth assumed responsibility for full public funding for tertiary nursing education and started to require student contribution at subsidised rates;
  • For registered nurses, a three-year bachelor or postgraduate degree in nursing (or the equivalent) is usually required. Universities initially argued for a four-year degree; and
  • There are three tiers to nursing, and those with the most responsibility are required to have the highest education. Some nurses are not happy with this as it created “classes” and “divisions” within the nursing profession.

Conclusion

The changes made nursing a much better profession, and resulted in stream-lined, quality education you can trust with your young child’s life.

In any case, like nurses it is set that we are being forced to get more education, but unlike nurses, adviser education at a tertiary level seems to be a point of contention and uncertainty. Remembering the issue with nurses is the vast majority of nurses held practicing certificates only and have not undertaken tertiary education (kind of like your RG146 six-month course).

At this point, there are three pathways between now and 2024:

  • You do a 24-subject bachelor’s degree over three years full time (or six years part time) at a cost of between $1,000 and $1,700 a subject. You may get credits for DFP (maximum 50 per cent, i.e. four subjects). The total cost will be between $25,000 and $40,000. For those with existing bachelor degrees under 10 years, you may get more credits. Over 10 years, you are out of luck. So if you graduated in 2008, I suggest you run and enrol now;
  • You undertake a graduate diploma. A grad diploma of financial planning under the new framework is eight subjects at master’s level. I hypothesise that the average cost will be $2,800-$4,000 based on current master subject rates for business schools. Total cost looks to be between $22,000 and $30,000 for eight subjects; and
  • You undertake a full master’s degree of 12-16 subjects. Just multiply the above cost.

I was asked whether a bachelor’s degree will count towards academic credit for a grad diploma. Unfortunately, grad diploma is postgraduate level, bachelor’s level subjects should not result in academic credit towards the postgraduate diplomas. I suppose you may get one or two subjects credited due to experience, I am unsure.

Unlike nursing, we will not get government compensation/free/subsidised education, but don’t break the piggy bank, it is not legislated yet. Oh wait, yes it is. We are just at the mercy of FASEA board and its members to do the right thing by our folks. Check out my thoughts on the FASEA board here.

I hope the board, being majority academics who know too well the costs of education, will consider the issues for small licensees and businesses, and personal cost to planners. We are not even thinking about the down-time of around 10 hours a week per subject on average. They must approve all relevant tertiary prior learning and stand by the education they taught in the past (note the word tertiary).

For businesses who have always encouraged and paid for education for their advisers, especially boutiques, this will pose a significant cost if absorbed for each licensed staff member. I suppose the big end of town may offer to pay for education as an incentive to attract talent.

So where to from here? Like you, I have no idea, no one is speaking. Not FASEA, not the FPA, not AFA. But I think it’s because they also have no idea. It would be good to hear that actually. Even leaders can say “I have no idea, but here are the facts”.

Have fun, don’t stress. Plan for the future, because failing to plan is planning to fail.

William Johns is managing director of Health and Finance Integrated. He is a Certified Financial Planner and specialises in advising clients with complex health and disability needs. 

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Comments 21

  1. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    In the interests of consistency, all qualifications both now and into the future will need to be redone every 10 years.

    Reply
  2. Adrian McMaster says:
    8 years ago

    Very thoughtful and well-written article William. Keep up the clear-thinking.

    Reply
  3. Sam says:
    8 years ago

    FPA or AFA, are you reading this? Some action from one or both of you would be great. I don’t pay my membership fees to just receive a glossy magazine every so often. I pay for you to stand up and represent me and my colleagues when situations like this arise.
    I would have thought one of you would jump on this and defend your member base to “show” you are attempting to support your clients – US!

    Reply
  4. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    I’m hoping there are some experienced adviser in the background working on forming some sort of lobby group against this absurdity and would let everyone know how to join them. We need a untied voice to fight this. FPA and AFA have left us all for dead.

    Reply
  5. Slade Wilson says:
    8 years ago

    You can contact Deen Sanders from FASEA who is willing to look at your personal circumstances and provide you guidance. His email is: [color=red]deen.sanders@fasea.gov.au[/color]

    Reply
  6. Ex CFP and FPA member says:
    8 years ago

    What about the 60% of advisers who say they are leaving the industry due to the new FASEA education requirements?

    The IFA runs an online poll that finished today and over 2200 financial advisers vote with over 60% saying they are going to leave the industry and this does not even warrant a separate article written. WTF!!

    Is no one concerned that there will be no advisers to provide advice to the masses or is this just part of the master plan of the FSC and the Industry Funds?

    I would have expected that these exit numbers would have a lot of people especially the insurance companies very very concerned.

    Reply
  7. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    Yep, this is certainly a dog’s breakfast and I can see the same fall out of planners and risk only advisers happening as what appears to have happened with nurses in the past as a result of the significant impost the cost and time investment the new education requirements are going to create.

    I have several points I want to raise with current adviser education standards and what ‘WE’ required when many of us started back in 2008 and earlier.

    Firstly, I’m sick and tired of reading that ‘we all agree’ we need to raise education standards to improve the professionalism of our industry. In my opinion and from my perspective, I see this as nothing but a party line being rolled out by industry bodies and the like that have a vested interest in selling the education / training to us older advisers, and I don’t totally agree with it.

    Secondly, as a major bug-bare, I’m sick of being told I only got the ‘RG146 six-month course’ to do what I now do as risk-only adviser. I’ve had 10 years ‘in the field education’ as an adviser now PLUS I’ve had minimum education requirements that had to be fulfilled every year on top of that to keep practicing which is strictly monitored by my Licensee. Furthermore, I’ve attended hundreds of industry training events over the last decade so do not tell me I’ve only undergone a 6-month RG146 course to be where I am today because that’s simply not true!!!

    Education occurs every day in this industry; it’s what you do with that education and experience that differentiates one adviser to another.

    Finally, higher education standards fail to absolutely guarantee ethical behaviour. There will still be unethical advisers (as well dentists, doctors, lawyers, politicians (especially), clergymen/women, police officers, magistrates & judges and tradies etc. etc. etc.) that do the wrong thing through greed – no matter how educated they are. I very much that these new education standards will entirely prevent that.

    In closing, I’m not really any clearer on this issue after reading this article – nor am I any more relieved…(big sigh)

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    • Anonymous says:
      8 years ago

      That last sentence in the second last paragraph should have read “I very much DOUBT that these new education standards will entirely prevent that.”

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      8 years ago

      Thank you, Anonymous, I heartily agree with all points made. Your situation mirrors mine (but 30+ years for me) down to the wire. The sad thing is that people like you and I will NOT benefit by having university education. It will not help us in any way whatsoever to review a client’s death/trauma policy needs or income protection – which is what you and I do all day. That is ALL we do all day and NOT investments of investment planning or the more complex ‘classic’ financial planning.
      .
      Yet because of the push and behest of an ill-informed govt (O’Dwyer), the life company executives, many leftist bodies and other self interested groups like CHOICE magazine that we risk advisers must go back to uni and reinvent the wheel into something that will do nought to help us help clients. WHERE IS THE SEPARATE, SPECIALISED LICENCE FOR RISK ADVISERS . . . LIFE COMPANY EXECS? WHERE IS IT???!!!
      .
      I’m at a stage now when I do not enjoy any of my job at all EXCEPT for the face to face client interactions as I always have. Except for that I simply don’t enjoy this industry much at all now. That is deplorable to be saying that as an adviser and I am acutely aware of that. A large part of me says do what’s required to stay helping my clients BUT then another part of me says “what for” as I can retire with a wonderful income from the sale of my business and my super – very nice thank you very much. Retirement was to be at age 70 for me – if ever! Now, so very sadly, it WILL have to be by age 63 (2024) at the latest. My wife is at me every day to get out of the rat-next she sees my beloved industry has become.
      .
      I battle to stay on, for my clients. Each day I lean a little more to her way of thinking, especially after reading articles like this one from William Johns (thank you William – excellent article!). Whether it is the end if this fin year or not until June 2024, I’ll muddle through and keep protecting my clients BETTER than a dumb uni degree can protect them in the hands of a less-than-ethical adviser . . . they’re are still too many of those around sadly and uni degrees won’t help an iota to get them OUT. Uni degrees will, however, ensure that a lot of the good guys, like me and you, will be FORCED OUT. No way will I spend $40K++ and 10 hours a week at the age (then) of 60+ just to satisfy the academics who mostly don’t know what a coalface is let alone ever sat at one!

      Reply
  8. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    Are all the nurses who did their degrees in the 1990s now being sent back to do a Graduate Diploma because nursing has evolved in the interim? Of course not. Their knowledge and skills have also evolved through on the job experience and workplace training. It would be ridiculous to expect them to sacrifice the time and expense of doing another degree. And it would reduce patient care options if so many experienced nurses had to take more time off to study. Any academic who suggested such an absurdity would be seen as conflicted and unprofessional.

    Yet that is exactly what FASEA is proposing for many financial planners.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      8 years ago

      same with Teachers and their Teachers Colleges. We didn’t ask Teachers to go back to University either. We didn’t ask a teacher with 20 years face to face teaching to go back to Universities because we’ve got Universities now.

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      8 years ago

      HAHA~!!! EXACTLY!! Well said. It is beyond ludicrous what these self interested idiots have done and ARE STILL doing to our once great industry by gutting the adviser force, especially and more sadistically the risk advisers.

      Reply
  9. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    Interesting, it looks like they got 8 years to come on board, we get how many years to study an acceptable course which in reality DOES NOT EXIST AT PRESENT and add insult any study done previously at any level is stuffed as it is over 10 years old. Think I will run for politics and ensure all present pollies have a CURRENT and RELEVANT degree. Retirement is looking great and very soon.

    Reply
    • Reality says:
      8 years ago

      The graduate diploma/masters of financial planning definitely existing… Instead of complaining about it I just did it and no longer have to worry about it. Simple.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        8 years ago

        Previous studies in financial planning that are more than 10 years old are worth zip. You have to pay a fee to be on the list of accredited courses and even my Graduate Diploma in Financial Planning is from an organization that is not even around now and merged to become Kaplan. Why didn’t you get your study earlier? What took you so long? You’re the reason it’s back to school for so many…. so perhaps lose the get over it attitude and don’t be so dismissive.

        Reply
        • Anonymous says:
          8 years ago

          Ha, bugger that! Paying a fee to be on a list to get and pay for ‘education’ we don’t need. These bloodsuckers have the game sewn up and we sat an let it happen (so did the damn life company execs), They will fleece us at every turn. It is such a mug’s game even being in this industry anymore. Too sad for words.

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          • Ray says:
            8 years ago

            I have a degree in financial planning from Curtin University. Graduated with distinction in 2005. My degree is out of date and irrelevant and it’s only right that the university refunds me $20,000 in fees to pay for my next graduate diploma in, erm, financial planning? Honestly, the 10 year old criteria is dumb.

  10. Anonymous says:
    8 years ago

    Having a Masters of Financial Planning that will not count as it is more than 10 years old, and by 2023 will be even older, this opinion piece does not make me feel any better. FASEA was given the mission of deciding on the meaning of a degree. I doubt FASEA actually took into consideration the education standards of advisers and used any stats on the educational levels of financial planners as the Financial Adviser register is only 2 years old and therefore one could argue FASEA hi jacked this entire process.

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    • Anonymous says:
      8 years ago

      You correctly state: “FASEA was given the mission of deciding on the meaning of a degree.” In my considered opinion FASEA has shown they don’t even know the meaning of dedication, or loyalty, or client-best-interest, or what is crucial to run a small business, or the value of long term client/adviser relationships. All things considered I cannot truly put hand on heart and say I quite know exactly anything that FASEA does understand. They certainly don’t understand advisers needs OR client needs. This is clearly demonstrated by the mess and stress (no other words for it honestly) they’ve created in the adviser community and THAT, right there, should be enough grounds for their instant dissolution. They have no grounds or reason upon which to continue to exist given their abjectly poor ‘performance’ to date. This is the laughably inadequate industry body upon which nothing less than our industry future depends. God help us and our clients.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        8 years ago

        Couple of points – it’s not in FASEA’s mandate to determine, measure or quantify “dedication, loyalty, client best interest, what’s crucial in running a business, etc etc”. Their mandate is to determine what needs to be done within the existing AQF to position advisers to meet the levels set by the revenue. If you want to complain, complain to your local member, as they are the ones who voted this mess in. The approach of many on here is akin to going into a bank branch to yell at the tellers because you don’t like the approach taken by the directors.

        FASEA has only been in existence for 6 months, and you’re already calling for its abolition. You’re kidding yourself. This is currently the draft proposal from FASEA, if you dont like it, get off your butt and lodge a submission detailing 1) your opposition & 2) your solution.

        Lastly, there is no god, so no point looking there for any intervention….

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        • Anonymous says:
          8 years ago

          Well, on behalf of all advisers here, thank you and I’d like to welcome the local representative of the venerable FASEA group to our forum. You helpfully state “Their mandate is to determine what needs to be done within the existing AQF to position advisers to meet the levels set by the revenue”. Nice sounding words.
          .
          Now, I’d like you to think about that after reading it one more time. [i]How[/i], on God’s blue and green earth, can that be done in all good conscience without at least taking into account the factors mentioned, namely: client best interest and running a small business. Without clients NOTHING needs to be done [i](so they are important!) [/i]- so they must be considered AND if the changes eject many advisers from the industry due to being ill-conceived then running a small business crucially also must be considered. I would caution you in your thinking here as even this initial offering (draught I think you portend it to be) has [b]already [/b]led to advisers leaving the industry – so much for only a ‘6 month existence’ effort. God help us when they’ve been around a few years!
          .
          Again, thanks for joining our forum today but your real contribution would be to go back to your FASEA academic cohorts in your great ivory tower and educate them as best you can about life at the coal face, managing and paying for repetitive and/or unnecessary education requirements while running a business and family and managing the stress, uncertainty and doubts that have ensued from the initial FASEA offering.

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