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Westpac case to call advice distribution into question

The recent High Court decision ruling Westpac had provided personal advice when it meant to give general information over the phone will have implications for others in the industry, a lawyer has said.

by Staff Writer
March 31, 2021
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In February, Westpac lost its appeal against a Full Court decision that it had given personal advice to super fund members in breach of its AFS licence conditions.

The case concerned two campaigns where Westpac had contacted 15 members via phone and advised each person to accept an offer to roll over their external superannuation accounts into their account with the big four bank.

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Personal advice, as defined under the Corporations Act 2001, includes financial product advice given to a person in circumstances where a reasonable person might expect the provider to have considered one or more of the person’s objectives, financial situation and needs – as opposed to general advice, where the product advice is not accounting for personal circumstances.

The Corporations Act imposes more onerous obligations on advisers who provide personal advice. But the High Court had ruled that Westpac, regardless of whether it had intended to provide general advice, had strayed into personal advice for a number of reasons, and therefore should have complied with its obligations.

Nathan Hodge, partner at legal firm King & Wood Mallesons has cautioned the ruling, which marked a new divide between personal and general advice, will have knock-on effects for providers.

“I’d say it really calls into question some general advice distribution methods,” Mr Hodge told FSC (Financial Services Council) members in a webinar on Tuesday.

“What I would say is probably not all general advice is going to be impacted by the High Court decision, because often, there’s general advice in marketing material that’s just set out to people. That type of general advice is probably not going to be impacted by what the High Court says.

“But where it’s really going to start to come under pressure is where there’s some sort of live discussion with the client. So obviously, face to face meetings, call centres over the phone, even electronically via chatbots, or possibly even social media.”

Call centres, chat bots and drop-in centres are expected to have more pressure weighing on them, with providers now needing to understand what may have been intended as general advice has actually strayed into personal advice territory.

“That could then wind back a lot of those helpful, really good interactions with people,” Mr Hodge added.

Zach Castles, policy manager for advice at the FSC, echoed Mr Hodge’s warnings, adding technology will also have to be accounted for.

“There is concern as technology changes around targeted marketing material, elements of intrafund advice [and] various pieces of the anecdotal contributions from our members show that there is a concern that this could add the chilling effect and we’re already seeing that to a degree in terms of how regulation is interpreted across the industry more broadly,” Mr Castles said.

An ASIC report found that around 75 per cent of members in super funds are accessing general advice, but Mr Castles added although it is used broadly, consumers don’t necessarily understand what they are receiving.

New research commissioned by the FSC and completed by consultancy Pollinate has found a mere 18 per cent of consumers have received advice, but of those who haven’t, 42 per cent want to seek advice but don’t know where to start.

The research will form the backbone for a paper the FSC is preparing on the advice system, while it also pushes for access to “simple advice”.

“It’s very clear from the research that consumers fundamentally don’t understand what they’re getting necessarily,” Mr Castles said.

“The model of advice and future is going to need to respond to that, to have a clear guardrail around what advice exactly is.”

The FSC will propose a range of measures in the whitepaper, building on Rice Warner’s previously pitched idea of simple advice, which would allow consumers to access basic information, addressing simple insurance needs and issues.

“The model of advice itself is somewhat broken because it’s misaligned from the level of risk that is carried with each form of advice and so to respond to the issues that consumers need to respond to all of those issues that sort of surged as COVID-19 started impacting the economy last year,” Mr Castles said.

“We need to look at how we realign that framework, realign the advice system with the level of risk, so we hope to talk more on that in coming weeks.”

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Comments 7

  1. David Williams says:
    5 years ago

    One reason that so many don’t know where to start is that they have no idea about what the stages of their longevity could look like, how long it might be and what they should be doing to make the best of it. Basic stuff.

    Reply
  2. Look forward backwards says:
    5 years ago

    Yep here’s another push for more Intra Fund Advice, vertically integrated, vertically owned advisers in call centres flogging single products all via Hidden Commissions, No real AFSL compliance, No real BID, no real FARSEA compliance. And guess what as long as the Industry Funds want it, which they certainly do. Then ASIC will push for it too.
    [b]Hidden Commissions, tied Agents, product sales. Anyone remember that model ??? [/b]

    Reply
  3. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    I don’t like customers receiving personal ‘general advice’ – that is a contradiction in terms and few clients would see it that way – that they were receiving a sales spiel that did not take their circumstances into account. If their circumstances weren’t taken into account, how were they identified for this personal general advice in the first place?

    It was a rort and it should stop. It should be clearly marked as marketing or the personal part should clearly be labelled as a sales call and not an advice call.

    Reply
  4. George Orwell says:
    5 years ago

    Don’t worry, ASIC is about to announce the solution – unwind consumer protections, so that conflicted product floggers can give fake advice to consumers at a cheap cost, to build and retain FUM, whilst increasing the regulations on independent financial advisers (most of whom are banned from even calling themselves that) so that proper advice is mired in endless, costly red-tape. What a great country we live in today.

    Reply
  5. Grumpy Old Bastard says:
    5 years ago

    Do i dare say that none of the BIG 4 ever had any other intention but to use the general advice line to provide personal advice and flog a product over the phone. Same DOG, different leg……….

    Reply
    • The banks have played ASIC says:
      5 years ago

      It was why they wanted the RC

      Reply
  6. Animal Farm says:
    5 years ago

    It is very clear what is going on here. The big institutions are putting in place complete teams of NON-tertiary qualified call centre operators, who are providing personal advice under the guise of general advice. It is designed to restore the tied agency distribution system & to destroy non-aligned retail advisers. If you are a retail adviser & your representative body supports intra-fund advice (that non-aligned retail advisers are being prevented from providing), then you are being stitched. End of story. Fortunately consumers are starting to read the online IFA magazine & they are slowly working out that they too are being stitched by these institutions.

    Reply

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