How code breaches will be assessed
Following a number of questions around how the code will be practically interpreted and enforced, FASEA’s latest guide gives an indication on how advisers’ reasoning and client files will be assessed in case of a future suspected breach.
“You should always be prepared to give an account of the ethical reasoning that has informed your conduct in general or, in particular cases, if called upon to do so,” the guide states.
“As is the case with all other professions, ultimate responsibility for applying the tenets of the code falls on individual advisers. Each must be ready to give an account of how they have interpreted and applied the code in specific situations.
“You will need to keep appropriate records to demonstrate, if called upon, your compliance with your obligations under the code.”
Answers to adviser queries
FASEA has replaced its examples from the previous guidance with broader questions that are commonly asked by advisers in relation to the code.
Some examples of these include the treatment of wholesale investors under Standard 1, how certain types of remuneration are to be treated under Standard 3, and how Standard 4 applies to existing and insurance-only clients.
FASEA said the questions are intended to “help illustrate the code and highlight the requirement for advisers to exercise their professional judgement in the best interests of their client guided by the values and standards of the code”.
Intent versus application
Guidelines around each standard are now structured in terms of the intent of the individual standard, and how it can be practically applied through certain assessment criteria.
As an example, guidance around the intent of Standard 3 sets out the need for advisers to professionally assess whether a conflict exists between their personal interests or the interests of an organisation, and the interests of their clients, and to continually update this assessment throughout the advice relationship.
Guidance around the practical application of the standard advises practitioners to assess whether the advice they will give complies with the other standards in the code, and then assess whether an “ordinary person” would consider a conflict could exist in the adviser-client relationship.
The ‘disinterested person’ test
FASEA has provided further details in its guidance on Standard 3 into what constitutes its ‘disinterested person test’ to assess whether a conflict of interest exists in an adviser’s relationship with a client.
The guide states that the “standard for judgement in determining whether an arrangement is conflicted is that if a disinterested person (an unbiased third party with nothing to gain or lose from how the question of conflicts is resolved) who knows all the facts would reasonably conclude (that is, has good reasons that other reasonable people would find convincing) that the arrangement could induce the adviser to act other than in the best interests of the client”.
“In making this assessment, the adviser is to imagine standing in the shoes of an ordinary person – not the client, not a consumer advocate, not another adviser, not a regulator, just an ordinary person in the street with ordinary intelligence and good judgement,” the guide says.
“Second, this imagined, ordinary person has to be unbiased – with nothing to gain or lose from what is decided about whether or not a conflict exists.
“Third, this unbiased (disinterested person) should be imagined having at hand (and to understand) all of the relevant facts about what has to be decided.
“Finally, whatever this person decides – it has to be reasonable. That is, it has to be based on the information before them, capable of withstanding public scrutiny and of attracting the agreement of other reasonable people.”
The APL and best interests
New guidance around Standard 5 of the code indicates that advisers should not rely solely on their licensee’s APL when implementing product recommendations for a client.
A ‘fundamental question’ around this states that “it would be reasonable to expect that you have a good understanding of not only the products on the APL but a general understanding of other well rated products [that] may be visible in the modelling tools that you use in formulating your advice”.
“It would be expected that if you are aware of a product that is not on your licensee’s APL and is a demonstrably more appropriate product to meet the client’s best interests, that you seek licensee approval to recommend that product,” the guidance says.
“If the licensee doesn’t approve the demonstrably more appropriate product, the adviser should not recommend the product on the licensee APL and may need to refer the client to another adviser.”




Can we have a “fasea code” for politicians please
Has anyone considered that life advisers should have no need to do the uni degree that is being forced upon us all? The stress it is bringing me added to this irrelevant ‘ethics’ exam is beyond what I think I can handle. I just do risk advice and can’t see the relevance in a full financial planning uni course, can’t justify the money either. It is salt into the would this exam – how can anyone say this exam is relevant OR has any integrity – you can’t examine ehtics – smart people give the answers they know will pass them and then go out and continue to do as they were and if that was criminal it will continue to be in the future. What are these glorified govt clerks thinking?
Mate, you have to move on. Just get it done. Go early to give yourself the best chance to resit once or twice if necessary. The questions are a complete crock because FASEA don’t have a clue. But overall, it is not that difficult if you put a little bit of time aside to study. Come on here and bitch about it (makes me feel better!). Reach out to colleagues. We are all wading through the FASEA mess together, but we will get through it. FASEA won’t last in it’s current form, because they have let everyone down and failed miserably. Both side of politics are aware of this. So hang in there, better days will come
The exam is a joke and the qualifications poorly implemented but there is no such thing as a risk only adviser either. If they have superannuation or you considered putting the cover inside super you are discussing superannuation.
I’m “disinterested” in anything those abject clowns at FARCE-IA have to say from this point on. Politicians too. Doesn’t concern me from now on. Retirement plans locked in now for end 2021 (at least 10 years early) due to the nonsense they have wrought in our once great insurance industry. Fancy having risk advisers needing to spend $10K++ and countless hours of study away from friends, family and clients for a ‘degree’ that is wholly unrelated to their work of helping clients with life insurance. Beyond ludicrous and the damn public servants with their guaranteed paychecks each week should be ashamed of themselves for this mental strain they are imposing.
Do us all a favour (if you haven’t already) and table this and your concerns with as many of your local federal Senators as possible.
The opinion of a disinterested person ends at the court doors. From there, the lawyers decide on the application of the standards.
Imagine picking up a person at a pub or via Tinder and applying FASEA’s code of ethics……hahah
looks in to crystal ball….all insurance upfronts & comms banned…… ongoing fum comms banned…… govt setts a cap on yearly advice fee……. financial planning a distant memory……. time frame 3-5 years….my tip…..make money why the sun shines ….as much as you can and get out before the deadline of my prediction…
Do the current Board members / Directors of FASEA meet all these requirements?
FARSEA board has made ZERO disclosure of their massive Conflicts of Interest.
DO AS I SAY, NOT DO AS I DO – hey FARSEA.
This highly Unethical FARSEAcal process just continues to be such a sad joke :-/
“A ‘fundamental question’ around this states that “it would be reasonable to expect that you have a good understanding of not only the products on the APL but a general understanding of other well rated products [that] may be visible in the modelling tools that you use in formulating your advice”.
So how does this apply to intra-fund advice?
its carved out ..
The fact that they even need a guide highlights how unnecessarily convoluted and open to interpretation this is. Easy solution is to scrap it as all it does is push up the cost of providing advice.
not sure where you been for last 20 years but FSR then FOFA all principal based…
And havent they worked well with ASICs REGS paternalistic interpretation and the cost of Advice has tripled in the last 20 years.
All good for the already rich, All good for me advising the already rich.
But really how well has this so called principles based BS law and REGS worked for mums and dads that need affordable advice ??? Oh that’s right it’s been a DISASTER !!!
Still wondering why there are 900 staff employed by the Dept of Treasury, costing taxpayers $1.4 billion over the next decade. Sure 500 is sufficient.
Re: APL/Standard 5 – give me a break. So just send your 20 year tenure client to another adviser and thank your Licencee for contributing to the demise of your business? These FASEA clowns beggar belief….
More absolute BS Bureaucratic waffle to try to defend the Unreal, Unworkable FARSEAcal Code of Ethics.
It doesn’t matter how these FARSEA fools try to re-interpret their wording, try to change the interpretations in their mythical world. Once AFCA and ASIC interpret it AS IT IS WRITTEN, ALL Advisers can be crucified for Any Advice provided, any time they want.
[b]Standard 3[/b][b][/b] is completely Unworkable in the Real World. [b]ALL PAID ADVICE IS CONFLICTED !!! [/b][b][/b]
[b]Standard 5[/b][b][/b] requires such volumes of time and explanation and client understanding, that if they truly know and understand as much as FARSEA expect then the client [b]WOULD DO IT THEMSELVES[/b][b][/b].
[b]Standard 6[/b][b][/b] requires such wide reach of people related to your clients and to the grave possible client outcomes MUST be considered, [b]it is physically impossible to cover it all[/b][b][/b], but you best include the your long lost cousins possible dog sickness and care required, to get FARSEA compliance.
Absolute Unreal, Unworkable, Canberra Bubble Bureaucratic morons.
FARSEA is a complete and utter joke and the lack of any acceptance of it’s impractical real world application is damming !!!!
You have just laid out most of the case and reasons I refuse to do this Farcical exam (an exam on ethics??- unreal and ludicrous!) and will retire end of 2021 after 34 years as a risk adviser and protecting clients. I’m cutting short another 10 for which I had previously planned to work for my clients. Being forced, as a simple dedicated risk adviser, to do the degrees and uni courses of a totally unrelated discipline of full financial planning. 90% of it is unrelated to risk and irrelevant to help me protect clients with insurance as I have for 34 years. No complaints against me EVER! No such thing as client best interest if you look at FARCE-IA’s actions in combobulating the advice process.
How can anyone interested in an outcome stand in the shoes of a disinterested person? It is psychologically impossible. The minute a question is asked – any reasonable person immediately becomes interested in the answer. Any reasonable person will need to be informed in order to form an opinion.
Any person currently ‘interested’ is already subject to their own bias. The FASEA Ethics course taught me that.
FASEA has not clarified this standard. They’ve doubled down on their ambiguity. Why create a standard that is impossible to measure?
I put it to FASEA this way. They have a pre-determined desired outcome. However they cannot state it because they know their desired outcome is already biased. So they are trying to manufacture their desired outcome with word-play and trickery. Just give up on your pre-determined desired outcome and instead listen to the industry and clients.
Why should FASEA stand in the way of a clients choice?
What a load of BS. No other ‘profession’ has such stringent enforced issues.
No, for those out there about to cry out “Law”, “Medical” or “Accounting”, their ethical duties, accountability and reporting are far less onerous.
We’re a very successful FFS firm, small number of well serviced clients, turn away or refer to other planners quite a number of potential clients we’re not situated to assist, have great professional working relationships with a large number of accounting and legal firms and are selective in the services we offer to specific types of clients so if anything, ideally positioned to weather this nonsense. Having said that, and because we work extensively with other professions closely, we’ve compared with them and even they can’t believe the insanity on display here.
Love to see ASIC staffers and the politicians forced to abide by the same set of ethical ‘rules’ that can end any one of our careers with the same level of consequences.
NSW Premier had to resign for receiving a bottle of wine he didn’t disclose on his register.
Yet the Victorian Premier can have 800 die as a result of administrative incompetence and keeps his job. Where was the best interest duty of the politicians and public servants there. Tell them to go to hell. I am going to continue to do the right thing by clients on just terms and if ASIC ever comes knocking at my door, it will simply mean that for me it is time to retire very comfortably.
Actually I could handle “Stringent” if it wasn’t so ambiguous and unclear.
We live with the fact our careers are on the block if we stuff people over.
What’s not clear is all the red tape and these standards have muddied the waters far worse than all the BS regs have done so far.
FIASCO should make this imaginary, unbiased, disinterested ordinary person available in each office of every adviser.