I’m a 30-year-old Sydneysider, husband and soon-to-be-first-time dad.
This February I kicked-off my first ever solo business, the Purpose Advisory, with the passionate intent to offer a unique combo of financial advice and life coaching for 24-44-year-olds. I believe these two disciplines fit perfectly together and are necessary for helping our young generation of Australians live more purposeful and fulfilling lives.
Along with my degree qualifications and years of experience as an adviser, of course I also need to be licensed before I can provide financial advice to clients. So I spent six months in 2017 researching, seeking advice and interviewing the various licensees or dealer groups, and I finally decided to join an innovative and fast-growing group called Dover Financial Advisers.
This choice turned out to have been a costly one and possibly an ill-informed one. But to this day, I don’t regret having made it.
Why I chose Dover
I formed a clear set of reasons for why I chose Dover as my dealer group, out of the various viable alternatives:
- Dover was not aligned to any bank or financial product provider;
- Dover had grown strongly over the preceding years to be one of the largest non-bank dealer groups, supporting over 400 advisers and thousands of clients;
- The culture at Dover was generous, seemed genuinely allergic to “pushing sales” or “cookie cutter advice”, and was focused on compliant, cost-effective, goal-oriented client outcomes;
- The leadership team at Dover had strong views about what good investment advice looked like, and they made it hard for advisers to justify high product fees;
- Dover clearly preferred that we charge direct fees for our service, and not take commissions or referral fees – even for life insurance commissions (which are still legal and are a common form of revenue in our industry);
- The advice documents produced through Dover were only eight to 20 pages long on average, in comparison with 40-100 pages with other groups!
- Dover required that every single advice document we write be checked and triple-checked by solicitors and internal advice compliance experts, before it could be sent to clients;
- Dover had a simple and affordable pricing model: I would pay them of $20,000 pa, and they offered to defer my payment by 12 months, to give me time to grow my fledgling business;
- Dover offered me and its advisers a variety of web marketing, statement of advice generation and back-office support that not many groups offered, especially not for the price we paid; and
- Importantly, Dover supported me offering coaching and mentoring services to my clients even when it wasn’t of a strictly financial nature.
I didn’t find any other dealer group in the industry that offered the same level of flexibility and support for the same price.
But the clincher for me came when I sat down with Dover’s charismatic founder, sole owner and director, Terry McMaster, during my final interview with them.
I’d met Terry at one of Dover’s free-to-attend training days three years beforehand, and had found him to be refreshingly opinionated and largely full of common sense. This interview with him was surprising though.
Rather than being ‘salesy’ or officious, I felt that Terry took on the role of a firm but caring father with me (to the extent that one can in 60 minutes), and he expressed that he was willing to support my daring vision for a new way of delivering financial advice and life coaching combined.
A good experience
And true to their impression they were!
For the four months that I was licensed to provide advice through Dover, I felt well served by their highly responsive admin team, their firm but fair compliance team, and the concise and compliant advice documents that I produced with them for my clients. I was asked by many friends and colleagues what I thought of my experience at the time and I had nothing but a good report. If anything, I felt they spent a bit too long reviewing my advice documents, but appreciated the detailed feedback they gave me to enhance them.
After Terry McMaster appeared at the royal commission in mid-April this year and collapsed part-way through giving evidence, I was concerned at how the public representation of Dover in the hearing and in the media differed from my understanding and experience of Dover to date. Issues had been raised about the misleading title of Dover’s “Client Protection Policy” and about Dover’s adviser on-boarding procedures.
I was understandably concerned, however the Dover leadership team emailed all advisers with a viable explanation to all of the concerns raised, none of which appeared to be of a serious nature and all seemed to be either addressed or being managed.
This email closed with the lines:
“Our simple suggestion from here onwards is that you keep doing what you are doing: providing quality advice and services to your clients. The industry at large has been bruised by recent events; the best way to retain and improve our reputation is through old-fashioned service. In particular, ensuring that clients get value for money remains critical, especially in the case of ongoing fees.”
An unexpected email
So why was my decision to join Dover so costly in the end?
Well, just over one week ago, in the wake of the recent royal commission hearings into our financial advice industry, I and more than 400 other advisers received an email from Terry McMaster stating that he had agreed with ASIC to shut down Dover and that our authority to provide financial advice would be revoked as of midnight that night.
This was shocking and confusing news. We’d been given no clear reason for why this was happening, and no clear guidance on how we could continue to serve our clients effectively with important advice over the busy month of June, when most end of financial year decisions are made!
A great loss
I write this today with a mixture of sadness, frustration and hope churning within me.
I am sad because I genuinely believe that Dover had created something special. It had struck a chord with starry-eyed and old-school advisers alike who were flocking to join the group for various reasons. It had created something unique that enabled it to review every single piece of advice that was delivered to clients. And what is more, Dover stood for something. It was by no means perfect, but Dover empowered me as an adviser to create a business that made financial advice more relevant and affordable for the young Australians I work with.
I’m frustrated because I still don’t know why all of this happened. I can’t yet carry on with the work I love doing for my clients, and my clients can’t yet get the service they deserve. This ordeal will likely cost our business in the order of a few thousand dollars, but worse still is that I and our business have already been marred in the public eye by our mere association with Dover.
Neither ASIC nor Dover have confirmed what was sufficiently wrong with the dealer group to lead it to be shut down. And I feel I’m left up the creek without a paddle, as I’ve spent all week working to research and get re-registered with a new dealer group (hopefully better than the last) but I have no guarantee I will be released by Dover to enable me to transfer to this new group before 6 July 2018. Dover has taken the stance that it will not facilitate my transfer until I settle my licensing fee account with them in full, which they had previously promised me 12 months to settle.
Why there is still hope
But I’m still hopeful because, throughout this last week, I’ve seen more genuine care, support, generosity, courage and collaboration between the hundreds of affected advisers and the thousands of un-affected advisers who’ve witnessed this unfold. I’ve received seven phone calls and tens of emails and messages from mentor figures and acquaintances in the industry in the matter of a few days.
I see groups of ex-Dover advisers working together, and I’ve been in touch with the directors of various dealer groups who have courageously decided to take on ex-Dover advisers despite the extra work and scrutiny this would attract over the coming years.
Whatever the cause of Dover’s shutdown, hundreds of good quality financial advisers and tens of thousands of unwitting clients have been adversely affected by likely the actions of just a few. Many in our profession are recognising that we need to support one another and challenge one another to aspire for greater standards of professionalism. I am hopeful this experience will further unite our industry to champion the vision of client-focused, high quality and accessible financial advice for all Australians.
To be honest, I do feel somewhat disappointed at myself for not being more sceptical of the information I was given about Dover during my research last year.
But I asked plain questions to the right people and was given clear answers that I believed. Time will tell, it seems, the nature of ASIC’s specific concerns with Dover’s operation.
But until then, I encourage anyone reading this to suspend their judgement on who or what might be the culprit here, and instead consider each person, business and matter on its own merits.
Our industry is definitely a murky place, and this year’s royal commission has been shining a welcome spotlight on what is going on in the dark. But I also believe there is more good going on than is being reported, and it will take some time for these great stories to be told.
I still intend for our business to be one of these great stories, and I know many of my friends and mentors in the financial advice industry feel the same.
Tristan Scifo is director, financial adviser and coach at Purpose Advisory and an authorised representative of Dover Financial Advisers




Financial advisers are notorious for being two rungs lower than used car salesmen and real estate agents
Well expressed Tristan – wishing you all the best for the future.
Pretty meaningful post Tristan, thanks for the insight. It is great to hear that Dover advisers have formed a community and supporting each other. I have worked with some Dover advisers amongst many others from different licensees and all of them care so much about their clients and are committed to delivering quality advice. I feel some good things will come out of the Royal Commission but really feel for all Financial Advisers that are experiencing tough times due to no fault of their own. All the best, happy to help where ever I can.
Dover was forced to cancel their liciense by ASIC, pure blackmail in my opinion. Thanks Tristan for your story, as Dover adviser and with 21 years (holding CFP since 2002) in the industry, I can only confirm what you have written. I have seen and worked with a number of licensees, independent and aligned, Dover was the best of all of them and had the most strict compliance regime
so a free CFP? no study required. hardly a badge of honour. embarrassing by FPA to be honest. sorry to get off topic. Years in this industry mean little as well…20 years ago there wasnt an industry.
I suspect you may have been at school and maybe even in short pants 20 years ago. There certainly was an industry then and in some ways it was superior to that of today…as it was pre-banking takeover. But we’ll never know as you haven’t been brave enough to include your name. Well written Tristan. My limited knowledge of Dover was that it was one of the few that I would have considered joining if I ever ceased being self-licenced. So many comments on these pages are merely poking at topics without much added knowledge or insight – Tristan is an exception to that.
Whoa! Dover made the decision to close and only give month notice,not ASIC, and if the compliance regime was so strong, what grounds would ASIC have to pursue?? From my DD with Dover, I chose to give them a wide berth , especially given that they found it very easy to authorize the rogues and rejects from the big instos. I feel sorry for Tristan, but when you pay peanuts, you get monkeys!
people are rarely willing to accept their own fault. get this, Dover was at the bottom of the ladder of so called “independents” if you thought they were good you haven’t got a clue.
AND most of dovers advisers were not well qualified with most only having an RG 146 or industry experience
Not according to Adviser Ratings – looks like most Dover advisers are degree qualified or higher but hey why let FACTS get in the way of a troll comment. Keep up the good work.
get your facts right. CFP , AFA FPA, and MBA’s – poor troll
ASIC gave a directive to Dover to shut down. The only grounds they gave was the so called “Client Protection Policy” which was brought up in the royal commission. Nothing more. There were no other clear issues found by ASIC in other investigations. They have not published anything else. It’s a sad and dis-empowering outcome for non-aligned licensees.
McMaster cancelled the licence, pure & simple. ASIC wanted to meet with him to discuss aspects of what was going on within Dover & in response McMaster had a dummy spit and shut down the operation. Advisers should be focusing their rage at the man who created this debacle for his advisers, not at ASIC, at least in this case.
There’s plenty of conspiracy theories spinning around & no one but ASIC & McMaster really know what the truth is at this point in time and neither have been forthcoming with a frank account of what has occurred. McMaster probably wont because his dummy spit could open him up to damages & ASIC are probably happy that his actions have created chaos in the adviser space.
Bollocks
A strong case for individual licences , like lawyers and accountants.
that has to be the way forward. i have said this time and again, and many like minded mature industry participants have agreed. until advisers are individually licensed and individually responsible we cannot have a profession.
fasea’s education requirement, as divided as the industry is on the topic, is a step in the right direction we cannot have this sort of carry on and uncertainty with which to run our practices
Even our dealer group has said the same thing. They believe they should (and will) become irrelevant when advisers have their own license. They believe it is the best course of action for the industry to be treated as a profession.
May not be in 5 years, may not even be in 20… but we are getting there.
I was speaking with a colleague of mine recently and their view, which also makes sense, is that ASIC doesn’t have the resources to manage 25,000 advisers, it would require a lot more self-regulation, which unfortunately, for our industry, we haven’t been good at in the past.
Whilst I don’t necessarily disagree, I believe there are other forces out there that will block individual licensing.
PI is one of those.
From a Dealer Group perspective, we are already seeing the reinsurers in London back away from the Australian Financial Services market which is making it more costly and harder to obtain PI. We will also see AFCA step in because the last thing they want is an individual adviser going bankrupt in an attempt to avoid paying out on a complaint.
If we do go to the individual licensing arrangement, I believe dealer groups will become co-operatives for advisers in order to assist them in getting insurance and other functions, such as negotiating rates on products and such.
yeah doesn’t seem fair. they seemed like a good co. seem to have the right culture. all their advisers loved them. they employed people in Vietnam so they were doing a lot of good sending them to the local universities and stuff so what happened
people said their advisers didn’t have enough quals
Dear ASIC, So when will CBA and AMP get their license cancelled?
Dear ASIC, if you try what you did with Dover on us. we will crush you with our legal team which has about 1,600 legal staff in it on salary
thanks,
AMP & CBA
ha ha funny…well said. but somewhat sad when you think about it. Seriously if that’s the case it’s clear that the banks therefore are too big to touch and perhaps operating purely for their own benefit and place the needs of clients somewhat 2nd. What adviser therefore could ethically and morally if they wished Financial Planning to be a true profession align themselves with a Bank licensee?
Unlike Dover, AMP & CBA elected to pay up, spend 10’s of millions on compliance and audit functions in order to keep their licences. I’m not suggesting this has resulted in perfect outcome but nonetheless, it stands in direct contrast to Dover, whom decided to throw in the towel. “ASIC: please show cause as to why we shouldn’t suspend or cancel your licence over flagrant breeches of the corps act that applies to almost every Dover client? Dover: never mind, you can have the licence back in 3 weeks”.
Interesting to see we’ve heard ZIP from the FPA on this matter. Does anyone else find this odd? Surely shouldn’t the FPA be enquiring as to why they lost their AFSL? Funny just after CBA stated their woes were due to poor education, within days the FPA launches a letter of support and 12 months on we get FASEA. They agreed with the Big Banks on the definition of independence but can’t issue a word when 400 advisers are made homeless. Seems like the FPA is just full of fat old AMP advisers these days. I guess that’s what happens when their members get a discount and fees paid for them.
i still cannot believe people post this stuff. do you or anyone else really think that the FPA cares about their adviser members. seriously, please tell me what sort of prescription medication you are on.
the fPA are useless
that’s true the FPA has no relevance any longer
Yes you are 100% spot on. They simply don’t care. Unfortunately about 12,000 other advisers who are complicit FPA members are happy with the FPA keeping advice unprofessional. We need to convince all those members to see the light and resign. We cant have the FPA lodging submissions claiming to be representing advisers.
What did Dover advisors think when they watched McMaster at the Royal Commission….that they could survive??
the migration out of dover for many of dover’s advisers began as soon as they saw the RC
Well written and explained Tristan
Tristan, we all feel for you, and I sincerely hope you keep going with your journey – you are so right – there is a real need for more like you out there. I and many others would, I am sure, have gone down exactly the same path as you. In many ways Terry was a thought leader. The concept was good – perhaps there were problems with the growth rate and his ideas, but these should not be insurmountable – one feels that ASIC is just covering up for their ineptitude. Had they been up to their game they would have been able to sort this out with early warning sounds to you and the others. Shipton should go – that has to become the norm. Too many people suffer like you, and the individuals who earn fat salaries (CBA fined $700 million, AMP to be involved in litigation costing ordinary Australians a fortune, ASIC dropping the ball on Storm and Reseau) get away scot-free. ASIC / Shipton talk about their ivory tower ideals, then change their tune (commissions), Costello – (to the point of abusive in the enquiry?) – should he not go?
Tristan I joined Dover 7 years ago after also doing what you did i.e. a lot of research looking for a Dealer Group aligned to my values where I could trust that their best interests were the client best interests. Nothing in my time at Dover dissuaded me from that view so don’t be hard on yourself for feeling as you should have known things weren’t as they appeared. I hope one day we all find out what truly caused this diabolical closure. For all the skepticism of the Royal Commission and comments like from Bob above my only complaints was how pedantic they were with compliance and the sometimes longer delay it took to get compliant advice to the client. Terry rang me personally to explain on 2 occasions why he couldn’t approve statements of advice. Not just No but why. I had a great deal of respect for Dover and their professional staff. I think the industry has suffered a great loss and I think ASIC has to clearly enunciate why Terry believed closure was the best option.
are Dover advisers joining forces to carry on Terry’s legacy? you should. please persist and push through
Unfortunately flexibility for advisers can also be the death knell for licensees. Terry did not perform well in the RC and the answers on who was reviewing the advice were confusing at best.
$20k is not enough to provide the services they were offering and that is probably part of the regulators concern. The answer as why it was suddenly shut down will eventually be come out but there is a suggestion PI was the catalyst. According to the press, Dover made the call – not ASIC – so that would make the most sense
PI was not a concern from what I have been told, but there is so much BS going around at present
Interesting. I watched ALL of the RC, and Terry in particular. He cited long delays in getting references from institutional AFSLs-the same mob ASIC ignored for years in fees for no service and just crap advice. I knew why they were at the RC, but could not decide why Dover was there. No instances of bad advice, just some carping on how long did it take to read an SOA. A good QC can make a dill out of anyone, and yes the Dover client Guarantee was ill-advised. I think the institutions complained to the RC because Dover offered an out to disgruntled advisers, and with went the FUM. ASIC were pissed that Dover offered a sanctuary, albeit with checks. I know, I looked hard at Dover after my AFSL of 5 years of strong audits decided I was not making them enough $$$$. I reckon a peeved and embarrassed ASIC and the Big Four pointed the bone at Dover, hence the pantomime at the RC. Eventually all will be revealed, but a lot of good ex-Dover advisers will go down, for what?
was an authorised representative
I may feel for Dover advisers but more importantly I feel for their clients. I am gobsmacked that the regulator would potentially allow hundreds or thousands of clients to go unattended, regardless of circumstamces, there should be some protection mechanism in place for clients to reach out to given Dover Advisers will not have a lience in due course. Surely there could have been a strategy put in place to ensure clients are not being penalised in all of this mess. I hear that it is very difficult for Dover advisers to go to another licencee, and it is almost impossible for advisers to sell their business in such a short time frame. So how on earth is this a good outcome for clients ? Dover and ASIC in this particular instance have let down thousands of Australians, Australians that NEED ongoing financial advice.
yep – its stupidity.
It’s not Dover’s fault. It’s the piss weak FPA and it’s ridiculous compliance regime and lack of support that caused this situation.
The whole industry is a disaster and when you read the ridiculous replies to this comment from advisers who think they are holier than though but still charge ridiculously high fees to their poor unsuspecting victims, err I mean clients then you will see that ASIC is just cherry picking scalps and nomdealer group or adviser will ever be immune or safe from the same thing happening to them.
It’s why the resale value of every advisers book/business is near worthless unless hugely complex opt out and refund clauses are not attached.
This industry is too risky for most advisers and if new advisers really understood the business they would run a mile at the compliance cost alone not to mention the litigation risk from the slater and Gordon’s of the world.
Pffft
I feel for you Tristan and the other Dover advisers. You deserve answers from ASIC and Dover. The licensing system is clearly broken when 400 advisers and thousands of clients are dumped in such a perilous position. I hope the Royal Commission turn their attention to this matter because it needs to be thoroughly investigated.
Unfortunately Dover got to big to quick. IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE to check SOA,s for 400 advisers among other things. I believe in small tight groups of like minded advisers no more than 25 to a licence!
do you know how many staff and QUALIFIED degree that DOVER had..?
I can tell you a – lot..!! some 20 or so qualified degree staff, with some 50 support staff
yes they had hundreds and hundreds of staff and they checked every soa, terry said that he even told asic that, and asic said, “do you do that for everyone” and he replied yes we do. and that was that. terry must have had a falling out with asic as they were real chums once
400 x $20,000 head minimum = $8mill can make a lot of things possible… ASIC have a lot to answer to, I believe they just made it untenable for Terry and Dover to continue. Have heard other smaller own licensed planner firms get the same treatment even though they provided quality advice simply because they refused to be bullied by ASIC and so got hunted down and literally destroyed.
so what’s in it for ASIC to hunt down and close small dealer groups ? doesn’t make sense they can’t touch the big 6 as they are perennially under one EU after another that it is such a hillarious joke
Bureaucrats have a particular mentality – as I have commented many times: “If they were any good, they’d be in private practice…”.
Bureaucrats, failed academic ideologues, and “Compliance” people usually hate the independence, self sufficiency, entrepreneurship, pragmatic intelligence, and drive to succeed, especially of Financial Advisers, who are the most vulnerable and exposed “Low hanging fruit” of the “professions”. It has taken thousands of years for law, medicine, accounting, engineering, etc to develop and become codified in society, whereas Finiancial Planning might possibly be considered 30-50 years old.
Financial Advisers need to deal with an extremely complex, constantly changing financial world, made up of intangible products [not a fridge or a car…]; abstract economic, commercial, and legal concepts; intertwined, complicated human designed [often “incomplete”] systems ranging from macro economics and geopolitics down to health and personal relationships – not to mention often competing, conflicting interests at every level and ever more overbearing, complicated regulation.
It reflects on their own personal incompetence, failures, lack of abilities, and desire to be coddled children, secure in the arms of Government Service, telling others how to live, while pointing fingers at those they don’t like.
This is no difference to the recent overreach, arbitrariness, and abuses revealed in the Tax Office, and the monumental stupidity, vindictiveness, and abuse of power revealed by the persecution of Dover.
Terry McMaster built multiple, parallel functioning and intertwined, unique, and highly successful businesses over ~30 years. He is a lawyer, obviously smart, undoubtedly egotistical, probably somewhat arrogant, and possibly dismissive of petty bureaucrats who use complicated, convoluted, costly bureaucratic regulation to entrap and restrain innovation and what they perceive as “infractions”, worthy of never ending pursuit, harassment, and destruction or “Bringing into line”.
Witness the Veteran;s Affairs Dept, where people who have unreservedly served Australia, often wounding or crippling themselves physically and psychologically are TREATED AS THE ENEMY.
How could any Government entity ostensibly tasked with protecting the public create a situation where HUNDREDS of small businesses, THOUSANDS of employees, contractors, and suppliers, and possibly TENS of THOUSANDS OF CLIENTELE be disrupted and possibly destroyed immediately before the end of the Financial Year?
What could be so egregious, so overwhelmingly outrageous that it would create an IMMEDIATE DEMAND [and probably other draconian enforcement demands] to shut down an existing, successful long operating business?
[b]Something stinks here, big time. Something is seriously wrong.[/b]
Haha, nothing wrong here, McMaster is not of good fame and character. That says it all.
Dover advisers have been defamed by asic – feel free to sue.
that’s just terrible. a lot of these advisers are being left in the lurch, who is going to pick up the tab ?
don’t you have to be of good fame to be defamed ? dover and it’s advisers were looked down as being not very well qualified. dunno maybe people were just jealous of terry and dover advisers and all their success
Pfft… if your understanding of advice is anything like your understanding of the law, then you should cease commenting on both immediately!