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How will good advice be defined?

There are still questions around how a good advice duty would work if the government decides to move forward with the measure.

by Keith Ford
July 25, 2023
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Good advice was not among the recommendations initially accepted in the government’s June response to the Quality of Advice Review (QAR) final report, with Financial Services Minister Stephen Jones opting instead to place the measure under further scrutiny.

Speaking on an ifa webcast about the government’s response to the QAR, the chief executive of the Financial Advice Association Australia (FAAA), Sarah Abood, said the first step is to clarify whether the recommendation will be accepted.

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“It is going to be important to understand whether the good advice duty will be part of stream two,” Ms Abood said.

“Because certainly, when we listen to the minister, when we hear the way that those recommendations are being promoted and talked about, it’s very much that this is allowing people who are not financial advisers to give advice to people. That that would be a big change.”

Speculating that super funds are going to act as a trial run to find any “kinks” and that insurers could be the next cab off the rank, Ms Abood explained that the government could be looking at the existing duty of each sector to preference the interests of clients or members.

“Irrespective of whether the duty is the best interest of the member or good advice for the member, either way, you can’t just drag a backpacker off the street and stick him in a call centre. You need to be using people who have knowledge that will not blow the client up,” she said.

“Particularly, in the case of transition to retirement advice, there is a real danger that you can do a lot of damage to someone’s financial situation that’s hard to resolve at transition to retirement. And when that’s collectively charged, then clearly that’s something that our members are quite concerned about.”

QAR lead reviewer Michelle Levy, also speaking on the ifa webcast, added that while she understands the urgency to address the gap in advice that exists for people when they get to retirement age, there is a slight worry around using super funds as an experiment.

“The reason for saying that is, to Sarah’s point, that where advice is needed, it’s often the more complex advice,” Ms Levy said.

“My recommendations were not that the person dragged off the street, to the extent that was ever part of the recommendation, would be giving complex advice. So, the good advice duty and marrying it also with somebody who isn’t a financial adviser providing advice, is very much intended to target simple advice, often underpinned by or if not solely provided digitally.

“What it’s recognising is that the advice isn’t in fact given, there’s no discretion in the provider, the individual, the person dragged off the street, to use Sarah’s word. The advice is actually prepared by and given by the institution.”

She reiterated that the purpose of this part of the advice spectrum would be “very simple advice”.

“I would’ve thought that the more difficult advice is still given by a financial adviser. And if the person is a financial adviser, in my view, they should and will have professional fiduciary obligations, which it’s not appropriate to impose on somebody who is not a financial adviser and who is just doing what their employer tells them to do,” Ms Levy said.

“So, I’ve said for those reasons, I am a bit nervous about stream two and superannuation funds and how this will play out. But again, maybe it’ll be great, maybe it’ll work really well, and I hope so. My fingers are crossed.”

Ms Levy had previously stressed that “a duty to give good advice is not intended to be a duty to give ‘OK advice or ‘good enough’ advice”.

“It is unlikely to be good advice to recommend a poorly performing superannuation product. It will not be good advice to recommend that a person who is unable to pay their mortgage open a term deposit and it will not be good advice to recommend a life insurance product that does not provide the protection the customer needs,” she wrote in the final QAR report.

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Comments 15

  1. Jobs jobs jobs says:
    2 years ago

    Backpackers at the ready…!

    Reply
  2. George M says:
    2 years ago

    Product providers are allowed to provide bad advice, and be conflicted, but not advisers. Hmmmm.

    Reply
  3. Red taper says:
    2 years ago

    I’m assuming superannuation funds will need to do 9 page RoA’s for intra fund advice and an SoA for TTR, pension refresh, accumulation versus pension et al. Right ?

    Reply
  4. Rod m says:
    2 years ago

    Its OK you will be able to go to your local milk bar or butcher shop for advice. Can not believe how ASIC and Government has stuffed up something that should be clear and concise . Maybe apply the KISS formula

    Reply
  5. Anon says:
    2 years ago

    [i]”you can’t just drag a backpacker off the street and stick him in a call centre”[/i]

    Wanna bet? It’s been happening for years in union super funds. They give advice like “transfer all your super to our fund because we don’t pay commissions” and “don’t worry about insurance, it’s just wasted money”.

    Jones’ agenda is to legalise and expand what is already happening.

    Reply
  6. Anon says:
    2 years ago

    There will be no “good advice” duty as recommended by Levy, because according to Jones super funds already have a members best interest duty which is quite sufficient. There will be no-one else besides licensed advisers and super fund employees legally permitted to give personal advice, so there is no need for the “good advice” duty.

    Reply
  7. Anonymous says:
    2 years ago

    Comments on Call Centres?
    ““I would’ve thought that the more difficult advice is still given by a financial adviser. And if the person is a financial adviser, in my view, they should and will have professional fiduciary obligations, which it’s not appropriate to impose on somebody who is not a financial adviser and who is just doing what their employer tells them to do,” Ms Levy said.

    So ladies and gentlemen, gather round, I have some snake oil which will solve all your problems – just a few minutes of your time – all free of charge of course?

    Only in Australia?

    Reply
  8. Mr G says:
    2 years ago

    It should simply be defined as not bad advice e.g like the advice to setup Fasea.

    Reply
  9. The Linds says:
    2 years ago

    “It is unlikely to be good advice to recommend a poorly performing superannuation product”. What if it is relatively ‘poor performing’ because it is honest with their asset allocations and growth split? It can be ‘Good Advice’ if the fund is masking it’s actual risk profile, which may be out of alignment with the client’s. Who would know?? Would ASIC really care? Jones certainly won’t.

    Reply
  10. Anonymous says:
    2 years ago

    “Good advice” will be defined as big super funds paying low wages to 30,000 overseas phone hotline staff, not unlike the Telstra & Qantas hotline. Won’t that be exciting!! But these fund members will continue paying their ongoing intrafund fee, not unlike a gym fee, that they pay forever but, never visit.

    Reply
  11. Anon says:
    2 years ago

    ASIC will get their hands on it, and ‘good advice’ will have a whole bunch of rules that makes it exactly the same as the best interests duty and the code of ethics combined. They will go on about advice fees being charged for more than 12 months is abhorrent, and replacing one product with another must include tables and charts, and any conflict is completely unacceptable even buying lunch for someone who passed your details to the client, and advisers have to consider alternatives, and advice has to consider long term impacts blah blah blah.

    ASIC will make it so that you dont have to provide an SOA, but good advice means that you will be in a legal nightmare if you dont.

    Reply
    • Has Shoes says:
      2 years ago

      This is exactly how it will be…

      Reply
    • SD says:
      2 years ago

      It bothers me how accurate this comment is…

      We wont need to provide a SOA… But also we will definitely need to provide a SOA to meet our obligations, but we don’t have to actually do it, but we also do.

      Reply
  12. Annon says:
    2 years ago

    We need to be judged by Advisers not Lawyers or 3rd parties.
    Panel of 5 advisers and if 3 voted as good advice, then case closed.

    Reply
  13. Tamara says:
    2 years ago

    Whoops. They’ve only just now realised how tricky it can be to get rid of us, pesky, advisers. Can hardly wait for their hare-brained next move.

    Reply

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