In an analysis written to members, the AFA’s general manager for policy and professionalism Phil Anderson said Commissioner Kenneth Hayne expressed a “clear bias for further reductions in commissions” despite saying at the same time to let the 2021 ASIC review play out as per the government’s commitment.
Mr Anderson took issue with the report referencing that life risk insurance commissions received attention during the hearings.
“This is somewhat surprising, as there was only one prominent case that referred to life insurance advice, which was the couple who received advice to set up an SMSF and buy a bed and breakfast,” he said.
“The life insurance advice was incidental to the SMSF advice, although the overall case was clearly disturbing enough to be included as an example in the FASEA code of ethics.”
Further, Mr Anderson noted that the final report goes on to incorrectly describe the Life Insurance Framework (LIF) model, in particular the paragraph:
“From 1 January 2018, conflicted remuneration includes volume-based benefits given to a licensee or representative in relation to information given on, or dealing in, a life risk insurance product. A monetary benefit relating to a life risk product will not be conflicted remuneration if it is a level commission within the applicable cap and provides a ‘clawback’ arrangement if the policy is cancelled, not continued, or the policy cost is reduced in the first two years of the policy.”
“The clear error is in the suggestion that the cap and clawback arrangement applies to level commission business. It does not,” Mr Anderson said.
“The LIF model applies to upfront commission arrangements only. We were certainly surprised to see this error, particularly given that the AFA had pointed out the exact same error in our response to the interim report.
“Unfortunately, this was just one of a number of errors in the interim report that were repeated in the final report.”
Mr Anderson then pointed out that commissioner Hayne goes on to say that if the 2021 review indicates that if the LIF caps do not contribute to underinsurance then ASIC should continue reducing the caps ultimately to zero. He said this highlights further errors and misunderstandings.
“Firstly, ASIC only has powers to reduce the commissions on upfront business. They do not have any power to alter the level commission arrangements,” he said.
“Secondly, a quick check with a few life insurers would no doubt clarify the impact that LIF had in 2018, with a material reduction in new business. Probably the most alarming thing is the implication that if going to 60 per cent will not have much impact, then going to zero will have a similar impact.
“Many financial advisers will find it challenging with a 60 per cent upfront commission rate. If it went to zero, they will simply leave, and leave in droves. We can only imaging what a devastating impact that this would have on the state of underinsurance.”
Lastly, Mr Anderson highlighted commissioner Hayne’s conclusion that any decision made in the ASIC 2021 review should be based upon clear evidence that the harm that would flow from abolishing commissions would outweigh the harm that already flows from allowing this form of conflicted remuneration to continue.
“We can only wonder what he bases this judgement on. We could easily respond by saying that ASIC Report 413 revealed a 93 per cent pass result for hybrid commissions, which was a higher commission rate than we have now,” Mr Anderson said.
“It seems that this ideological determination to eliminate all conflicted remuneration is contributing to statements without justification or evidential support.
“There is a much stronger basis to say that there is little harm done to clients as a result of life insurance commissions and that the royal commission provided nothing to prove otherwise.”




[quote=Researcher]At least the ARA is trying. FPA? Anything? [/quote] what has the Australian Retailers Association got to do with it 😀 lol… agree though – well done AFA and Phil for articulating the arguments so well… blind sighted ideologies and ignorance are driving the current agenda. Everyone who believes in the benefits of professional insurance advice needs to step up in support. Otherwise ASIC and Labour have made it clear – commission will no longer be available as a method of remuneration post 2021 – in that climate the Australian life insurance market is finished – although the need has never been greater.
[quote=Anonymous]LIF was not introduced to help reduce the under-insurance problem either it was all about quality advice is being given and there was not incentive to recommend another product due to a higher commission, also this is then reinforced by best interest.[/quote]OH PLEASE !!! LIF had one purpose ONLY- so the banks selling their life insurance offices could tell the Japanese insurers looking to buy in Australia that their acquisition of new business would cost HALF in three years. That the banks and the FSC had convinced Government that LIF was really about churning ( now denied by ASIC at a PJC). All for consumers, you know !
I agree 100% gives you shits, then you have the companies and BDMs talking into our office saying they support Advisers well stop selling junk insurance to the industry funds… they payed up the churn issue…. the main thing is they were going tit for tat being out the best policy definitions and next minute the policies are actually really good and people are claiming on them. have you seen the profits of these guys
Zurich had a 2billion
https://www.zurich.com/en/media/news-releases/2018/2018-0208-01
AIA 11bn in surplus profit
http://www.aia.com.au/en/individual/about-aia/media-centre/press-releases/2017/aia-delivers-excellent-results-in-the-first-half-of-2017.html
https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/asia/news/breaking-news/aia-reports-14-operating-profit-growth-for-first-half-109694.aspx
The banks and insurance companies said that advisers where churning, we didn’t have best interest to recommend the best products for our clients just thinking about out pockets etc… the same play book they are trying to do to the mortgage brokers right now…. they are criminals they are trying to get rid of commissions all together and push advisers out commissions have been going down and not once have I seen a premiums go down… Our company will just not see clients with low insurances premiums once they get to 60% think about $1000 premium you will get $600. you have to minimum two appointment, research paying for the SOA to be produced then getting the client through underwriting its not worth it.
Hopefully the government see the light and advised clients have better claim outcomes better insurance its crazy you can go to a mortgage brokers and they can sell insurance without a SOA and the cover is shithouse doesn’t make sense lets make it has hard as possible to let advisers selling good quality insurance and make it as easy as possible to sell junk insurance
I believe LIF was introduced so the banks and insurance companies can push junk insurance directly and sell the insurance companies off. they are forever screwing the advisers… have a look his video not once does ASIC don’t even point and don’t tell people to see an advisers. The main difference is one is a guaranteed renewable contract and the other is a group insurance which the insurance which the insurer can change the contract whenever they want eg AIA with SunSuper watering down TPD definitions and restructuring the claims process to make it as hard has possible to claim. https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/insurance/life-insurance
And don’t forget dealer group fees. Most advisers I know, the dealer group takes 20%. So 60% becomes 40% then you have to pay Pi and tax. Who in there right mind is going to get a degree in this industry with the potential of further commission cuts.
[quote=Anonymous]Phil, great stuff.
Why were you not saying this loudly 3 years ago?
AFA needs to do more than speak to the industry to justify its advocacy position.
AFA needs to allocate resources to educating consumers/voters.
That education should include that consumers have as much in common with an ivory tower QC charging by the hour as they do with millionaire PM’s with better personally owned houses than the prime minster’s official residence.[/quote]
AAHH !! Good point. But Phil was not yet back at AFA. At the time LIF was waived through by a manufacturer influenced AFA, there was someone else in charge of the AFA henhouse !
“Secondly, a quick check with a few life insurers would no doubt clarify the impact that LIF had in 2018, with a material reduction in new business”. Is this not from a reduction in churning? Though, at levels of 60% say, and clawbacks, not sure it would be right call in conflicted much longer. the incentive to churn will surely be mostly gone.
Reduction in new business overall as a market..this has nothing to do with churning. Churn means moving business from one to another it dosent increase the market itself. You cant understand that but make totally unfounded comments. Do some research
FPA is saying nothing because they do not believe in Life Insurance commissions, publicly they state this, but the Board does not support this going forward, they are mostly independents and don’t write life insurance.
This whole debacle started when the big 4 Banks got involved with insurance.
How many claims are disputed or not paid from insurance policies set up by banks or direct.
It would be staggering- at present commission of 70% (reduced from 100%) is paid by the Insurer.
Who has taken a cut in Income of 30-40% in the present environment.? Good old Kelly O’Dwyer did nothing to help our cause. Wonder if she took a 40% cut of her Superannuation payout?
Keep up the good work Phil – perhaps and ad on TV (like mortgage brokers) is a start.
NAB should appoint Hayne to its board so he can see for himself how his recommendations would operate in practice. Given his expectation that everyone in financial services should work for free, he wouldn’t be paid any director’s fees.
At least the ARA is trying. FPA? Anything?
Phil, great stuff.
Why were you not saying this loudly 3 years ago?
AFA needs to do more than speak to the industry to justify its advocacy position.
AFA needs to allocate resources to educating consumers/voters.
That education should include that consumers have as much in common with an ivory tower QC charging by the hour as they do with millionaire PM’s with better personally owned houses than the prime minster’s official residence.
LIF will be a failed experiment, but anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and industry experience already knows this.
if rates are not increased back to 88/22, then not only will there be a further slide in the amount of life business advised on / written, but for those still brave enough to stay the course, an additional advice fee to cover off the ever rising compliance costs is inevitable.
it something we will be adopting on premiums of less than $6,000.00 PA henceforth
Too True. Unfortunately by the time this all plays out, all the people who have caused the damage and destruction will be long gone, leaving the rest to carry the can. Why can’t all these white ants be held to account when the Sh*t hits the fan? Why shouldn’t they be bound by a Best Interest Duty to our nation- particularly our incompetent politicians?
LIF was not introduced to help reduce the under-insurance problem either it was all about quality advice is being given and there was not incentive to recommend another product due to a higher commission, also this is then reinforced by best interest.
Are you saying: –
1) different products paid different amounts of Commission
and
2) advisers simply recommended the product with the highest commission rate?
Do tell me everything you know.
1. Products did pay different amounts of commission 110% 117% 134% etc
2. In no way do I think Advisers did that if you did that clients will just leave you its crazy to do that.
The banks and insurance companies said that advisers where churning, we didn’t have best interest to recommend the best products for our clients just thinking about out pockets etc… the same play book they are trying to do to the mortgage brokers right now…. they are criminals they are trying to get rid of commissions all together and push advisers out commissions have been going down and not once have I seen a premiums go down… Our company will just not see clients with low insurances premiums once they get to 60% think about $1000 premium you will get $600. you have to minimum two appointment, research paying for the SOA to be produced then getting the client through underwriting its not worth it.
Hopefully the government see the light and advised clients have better claim outcomes better insurance its crazy you can go to a mortgage brokers and they can sell insurance without a SOA and the cover is shithouse doesn’t make sense lets make it has hard as possible to let advisers selling good quality insurance and make it as easy as possible to sell junk insurance
I believe LIF was introduced so the banks and insurance companies can push junk insurance directly and sell the insurance companies off. they are forever screwing the advisers… have a look his video not once does ASIC don’t even point and don’t tell people to see an advisers. The main difference is one is a guaranteed renewable contract and the other is a group insurance which the insurance which the insurer can change the contract whenever they want eg AIA with SunSuper watering down TPD definitions and restructuring the claims process to make it as hard has possible to claim. https://www.moneysmart.gov.au/insurance/life-insurance
Light, Tunnel?
probably just an oncoming train….
Kenneth Hayne has no idea about the insurance industry. If he did, he would have discovered that the vast majority of wrong doing was from the insto’s and direct insurance providers. If he had bothered to look at claim stats he would realise that the policies set up through an adviser payed out much more often. If he had bothered to do a price comparison he would realise that the advised policies are cheaper. If he had bothered to do a product comparison he would realise that the advised policies are far superior. If he had bothered to actually check the insurance benefit amounts in super he would realise that the automatic cover very raerly covers peoples mortgages.
I am pretty sure he got the word from his other lawyer mates to get rid of advisers so that the bloodsucking lawyers could charge 30-50% of the claim benefits to do the job advisers have been doing for “free”.
Why did anyone think it was a good idea to have a guy who has no idea about a profession and who has clearly been bought by the banks, making judgements on an industry.
I dont disagree with your comments..but high income self employed people based on business model of churning was never sound and could only last so long.
What?
Had me until the last part. If that was lawyers intentions, and Hayne’s, there wouldn’t be a recommendation to include claim handling as a financial product