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‘Double whammy’: Some AMP firms’ value reduced by up to 90%

The head of AMP’s adviser association has given an update on negotiation progress with exiting practices that are yet to strike a deal with the wealth giant, saying firms are having their client book values written down by up to 80 per cent more after the BOLR recurring revenue changes.

by Staff Writer
February 4, 2021
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In a recent episode of The ifa Show podcast, The Advisers Association chief executive Neil Macdonald said while 80 per cent of planners who were terminated as a result of AMP’s advice changes in August 2019 had reached an agreement with the group, there were “individual firms” remaining that were most challenging to resolve.

“The ones that are left who wanted to stay in the industry but AMP wanted to exit are the hardest for us to get a good outcome for,” Mr Macdonald said.

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“It’s compounded by the BOLR value going from four times to 2.5 but in addition to that, bearing in mind that BOLR is four times recurring revenue, the recurring revenue is zero because grandfathered [revenue] is being removed.

“Some of the ones we’ve spoken to have had a double whammy, it’s been the four to 2.5 but it’s been further impacted by the loss of grandfathered commissions and the lookback programs and the exit process.

“So we’re at the point where we’ve gone from three or four broad groups we’re dealing with to individual firms that we’re trying to get the best possible outcome for, and that will depend on their circumstances.”

Mr Macdonald said some practices had had their book values more than halved as a result of grandfathered revenue being removed, and had then had the remaining value reduced by up to 80 per cent because of their exit audit results.

“I don’t think anybody’s had their total BOLR value written down to zero, but we’ve seen some example where their BOLR value might have been $2 million and grandfathered commissions might have been $1 million to $1.2 million, so there’s $800,000 left and there’s perhaps issues around FDSs so there’s a multiple whammy, and there’s an application of a standard percentage drop depending on how you pass your audit,” he said.

“Those are the areas we’re focusing on [with AMP], saying if the planner could rectify what’s wrong, then you don’t need to apply the 60 or 80 per cent discount. It’s lifting up the bonnet on that particular planner and saying what happened in your case.”

A spokesperson for AMP told ifa late last year that the exit audit process for planners was “a thorough process designed to ensure advisers receive fair and appropriate valuations based on the quality of their business and fulfillment of their service agreements with clients”, and that advisers were permitted to present additional information to have an initial audit reassessed.

Mr Macdonald said the association had been providing support because of the emotional impact of the changes on advisers.

“For many of these advisers, their world has changed significantly. They bought into the promise that one day you can retire and you’ll get a BOLR payment. The world’s changed at AMP, the world has changed around FOFA and BID and everything else as well so it can be quite confronting and challenging for them,” he said.

“The challenge we often find, and it’s probably less so now than it was a year ago in the heat of it all, is if you don’t know somebody’s going through then you can’t help them. So becoming aware of it, a year and a bit ago there were a number of planners I was basically calling every day myself just to make sure they were OK, and one of my colleagues was doing the same.

“So it is a challenge and it’s a very complex issue, and often this is a trigger for other things as well, so it’s something we’re very conscious of.”

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Comments 19

  1. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    What i would like to know is there any adviser left out there dealing with AMP or ever likely deal with AMP in the future.. Personally i pulled out all my business from there over a year ago and will NEVER use them again/

    Reply
  2. One who knows says:
    5 years ago

    It’s worth remembering that this whole ‘lookback’ clawback is a result of a confidential, commercially-negotiated settlement between AMP and the regulator ASIC. AMP have then taken it upon themselves – despite early assurances to the contrary from very senior AMP management – tp foist the majority of this onto advisers who were otherwise completely compliant with their AMP licence requirements at the time. Disgusting immoral behaviour.

    Reply
  3. ANON says:
    5 years ago

    The problem here is the editor recorded the conversation and released it as a podcast. The headline of this article is clickbait rubbish. Neil also stated most BOLR exits were getting above the 2.5x. Who the hell pays anything for grandfathered commission. If a practices revenue consisted of 60% grandfathered, one could speculate about what the practice was actually doing for their client for that revenue. Paying nothing for GF rev is not an AMP thing it is industry wide. If a practice suffers a “valuation” drop due to this, AMP is not responsible for it.
    AMP has been (according to the interview) using the audit process to try and reduce the exit price, but this has to be relevant as some of the drop in value is going to customer refunds where there was evidence of incorrect documentation or lack of evidence of services. What Neil stated is that they were attempting to work with AMP (and having mixed success) with them taking a realistic look at this.
    A bit of accurate reporting wouldn’t go astray. Seems that kicking AMP is becoming a pastime. I am the first to agree that they deserve some of it but they cannot be blamed for everything as this article (particularly the headline) represents. And it surely does not line up with the interview.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      I wrote a really long and clever response that didn’t save for some reason.

      My main question is which of David Akers, Brian George or Francessco de Ferrari are you because having been through the AMP exit process only those three people could come close to justifying the unethical actions AMP have taken.

      If you are one of those three, like I believe, I want you to know that when someone takes a drastic step because of your actions that putting a line about counselling on a email when you are destroying someone’s business and life doesn’t excuse you from the consequences of your actions.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        100% agree. if you are a planner and think AMP are helping our industry….. u are delusional…

        Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        I think it does excuse them from the consequences of your actions. After all, they are your actions.

        Reply
  4. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    no doubt the audits are being conducted by AMP themselves. The very same Auditors who couldn’t find anything wrong with any of the advisers business 12 months ago. Go figure – suddenly the auditors have found out how to properly do audits.
    Perhaps these advisers should go back against the auditors for their incompetence in the past, as if they had been audtiing properly the advisors would have been able to fix the problems by now. Hence there would be more value.

    Reply
  5. Wonder Dog says:
    5 years ago

    As I say to my business clients, you must divest wealth out of the business into another structure. You never know what comes out of left field that may destroy the business value. Gov reg change, cv19 or an AMP.

    Reply
    • Tom says:
      5 years ago

      How does one do that with a financial planning business Wonder Doggie?

      Reply
  6. Annon says:
    5 years ago

    AMP should face a Royal Commission based on this

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      Get Jack Regan out of retirement?

      Reply
  7. Martos says:
    5 years ago

    I’m sorry I can’t feel sorry for an adviser who thought they were going to get 4x for grandfathered comm’s. The writing for the comm’s has been on the wall for years and if you didn’t get off your ass and convert them to actual fee paying clients then you don’t deserve squat for that part of the book – the rest of the book and AMP weaponizing compliance against them to reduce their obligation – well that is another thing all together

    Reply
  8. jwp says:
    5 years ago

    well done Neil

    Reply
  9. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    This is extremely concerning. AMP is disgusting in their attack on the advisers that built AMP over many years.

    However, for the most part, financial advisers are IDIOTS! Can’t organize, can’t speak with one voice, attack eachother instead of standing up for eachother, too busy and isolated in their own practices to fully understand what is happening to the industry.

    We ALL (I’m an adviser) had OUR chance to fight back with the HIGH COURT CHALLENGE to what crusty old Hayne thought about “Grandfathered” contracted revenue, and barely anyone participated!!! So they removed approximately $1 billion dollars of contracted revenue (property) protected by the Australian constitution.

    We are a pathetic lot.

    Reply
  10. Anon says:
    5 years ago

    So this is saying that the AMP advisers are going through exactly what most other advisers in the industry have been going through over the last 8 years or so?

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      There is a lot more than the multiple issue

      Reply
  11. Gerard H says:
    5 years ago

    4 times BOLR was a very high multiple. AMP should never have offered it. AMP was irresponsible and it mislead its advisers. Shame on AMP

    Reply
    • scared says:
      5 years ago

      remember it was a closed market so they could charge 4x when the open market was at 2.5x, but the premise was that you could get 4x back. Simple. However, due to AMP’s corporate greed of all the fat cats and mismanagement of monies internally, and then chosing to remediate all clients irrespective of the lookback if they had a service fee under $400pa,means they are spending the money that was meant for advisers BOLR. But they realised that it was better to look good in the eyes of customers, another words bribe them with a $400 cheque, that it would restore their reputation, then realised they didnt have enough money, so they creatively said, we will save the day by reducing BOLR and no one is going to say anything. Boy were they wrong.

      Reply
  12. ad says:
    5 years ago

    2.5 times is still over priced as all firms now are in opt in the the true value 1x ie $ for $ nt different than accounting fees its time fro FP practices to get real

    Reply

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