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AMP hands final marching orders to terminated advisers

EXCLUSIVE: A number of exiting planners who remain in negotiations with AMP have been handed final notices of termination by the wealth giant, stating they must abide by a number of conditions including the repayment of outstanding loans or have their authorised representative status revoked.

by Staff Writer
April 9, 2021
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The notices of termination and revocation, seen by ifa, are understood to have been sent to between 30 and 40 advisers at the end of March, and state that “should the obligations of your exit pathway not be met by 23 June 2021, the authorised representative deed of agreement … between AMP and the practice will terminate”.

Obligations listed in the notice include transitioning ongoing service fee clients to annual agreements or switching client fees off by 31 March, providing all current and historic client files to AMP, completing BAU and look-back audits, repaying or refinancing AMP Practice Finance loans, signing a deed of release and issuing notification letters to clients.

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A spokesperson for AMP said the notices had been issued “following an extended period of engagement”.

“We have recently written to advisers who are in the process of leaving the network to finalise their arrangements with AMP,” the spokesperson said.

“We continue to keep The [AMP] Advisers Association informed and our transition management team has been in regular contact with each adviser, recognising the change is difficult and working on an individual basis to help them through the transition.

“This includes providing access to counselling and wellbeing services, and when applicable AMP Bank working with advisers to address their unique financial circumstances.”

Neil Macdonald, chief executive of The Advisers Association, said the notices had primarily been delivered to planners who had yet to take any firm action on an exit pathway out of AMP since receiving their termination notice in 2019, or those who were well progressed and in the process of finalising their exit.

“It seems to be two groups – to encourage people who haven’t done anything, and to put a full stop at the end of the process for people who are on track to have exited by then anyway,” Mr Macdonald said.

“Having said that, it’s still a stressful event for most of the people left. We’ve said all along that the only solution we can see that gets the majority of people a reasonable outcome is the class action, but there will be a number of people that have got particular circumstances that will need to be dealt with on a one on one basis, which AMP keeps telling us they are.”

In December, former AMP adviser David Haseldine told the XY Adviser podcast that the wealth giant was pressuring advisers to sign exit contracts which would disqualify them from participating in the class action. 

AMP has since been ordered by the Federal Court to make clear in its communications with exiting advisers the consequences of them signing any such settlement deed.

However, Mr Macdonald said not all advisers would need to agree to release legal claims against AMP as part of their settlement terms.

“We know some people have got that clause and they are happy with the clause – an example is genuine retirees who early in the piece negotiated an outcome that they were happy with and decided it’s no skin off my nose to sign it,” he said. 

“Some will have signed it willingly and some will have signed it under duress. But if you get legal advice and your lawyer says ‘I wouldn’t sign that’, your lawyer would generally go back to AMP and say we’re not going to sign it because it’s not fair. I imagine it would be looked at upon its individual merits.”

Similarly, Mr Macdonald said individual advisers would have negotiated their own terms around outstanding practice finance loans to AMP Bank, with some given additional time to repay beyond June 2021.

“One of the challenges we’ve got is about 60 advisers went to a mediation process with the small business ombudsman – in that process it was confidential, so we don’t know what AMP has been doing about outstanding loans and how much they are,” he said. 

“Some people have been asked to repay, some may have been forgiven and some may be given terms like ‘you can leave but you’ve got to repay it by X number of years down the track’.”

Mr Macdonald said around 100 of the original 250 planners terminated by AMP in 2019 had still been negotiating an exit as of January 2021, but that the majority had left in the first quarter of the year.

“There have been a large number of planners exiting in the first quarter and a number leaving before 31 March – somewhere between 40-60 left in the first quarter,” he said.

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Comments 33

  1. old bob says:
    5 years ago

    I’ve been an adviser for 20 years and never recommended AMP products and never ever recommended AMP shares. Perhaps that’s why I’ve been an adviser for 20 plus years.

    Reply
  2. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    [quote=Anonymous]Glad I left that ‘turkey shoot’, sausage sizzle in 2004. The writing was on the wall then. [/quote] I sold out and retired in 2011 and have been so glad I did ever since. There was no way AMP’s business model was sustainable at the time and all I could see was problems brewing. I feel so lucky but also feel so sad about the many decent planners and their dedicated staff who have been thrown onto the scrap heap by what I once believed was a highly respectable Australian icon. How times have changed!

    Reply
  3. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    AMP really do try and break you, the break the spirit of entrepreneurship and have weaponised audits to their advantage. I left last year, having tried to leave since 2018. The place is pure evil and toxic. If you don’t drink the kool aid you drop from favour immediately. The mental anguish on advisers is beyond belief. I feel really sad for those remaining and wanting out. The company will not be around in 5 years time.

    Reply
  4. Jack K says:
    5 years ago

    I would NEVER recommend any AMP products to any clients

    Reply
  5. Gock says:
    5 years ago

    What a disgusting organisation

    Reply
  6. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Wow so glad that I never touched this organization within a 10 foot pole.

    What a lucky break. I would be facing financial ruin now if I had joined this group.

    So sorry for all the other unfortunate people that got conned.

    Reply
  7. Sarah Kendell says:
    5 years ago

    Hi all, a few comments here around recent IOOF treatment of advisers. If anyone would like to share their story, contact sarah.kendell@momentummedia.com.au or submit an anonymous tip at https://www.ifa.com.au/contact

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      Please do. We cannot afford another Royal Commission like the last one.

      Reply
  8. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    I dodged a bullet

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      Why did someone shot at us?

      Reply
  9. Crock of crap says:
    5 years ago

    4 years ago I was approached by amp, come over,transfer your clients to amp product, you can make money on the soas, implementation and you can sell them back to us at 4x revenue at anytime, as long as they have amp product of course. We will even give you a book of clients to pay off too. I asked so what if I transferred the amp clients to cfs as I use that mostly, you could have heard a pin drop. Thankfully I took the more expensive option of a small dealership with no inhouse product.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      Dover?

      Reply
      • Crock of crap says:
        5 years ago

        No anon, luckily I missed that train too!

        Reply
      • Anon says:
        5 years ago

        Dover had inhouse SMSF admin that advisers were encouraged to use and Dover made money from. That’s still inhouse product.

        Reply
        • Anonymous says:
          5 years ago

          Not anymore!

          Reply
  10. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Glad I left that ‘turkey shoot’, sausage sizzle in 2004. The writing was on the wall then.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      It was, very clearly so and obvious to me when I was new to the industry.

      Reply
  11. May The Karma Bus Steamroll Yo says:
    5 years ago

    All I can say from reading this is thank God I never wrote an AMP policy for any of my clients over the last 15 years.

    So this is the way AMP treats the very people that built it’s business?

    What an absolute pack of b$*%#@$%’s!

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      I wrote one as only AMP would insure this client. I also wrote zero CommInsure policies.

      Reply
  12. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    AMP are so full of their own BS it is astounding. They keep sprouting the same rubbish to the public, we are working with advisers and so is the bank, we are here to help, please call this hotline, what a load of BS. Let me be very clear, AMP, AMPFP and AMP Bank are not working with advisers from my experience and from the advisers that i have spoken to. They bully, intimidate and ignore to the point that you are left with no choice of your own and they are forcing an outcome that suits them. I would not treat my worst enemy the way AMP has treated me or a lot of the other planners that did not meet their future business model. AMP’s idea of support is, please call 1800 I don’t five a s#*t.
    The only truth out there is the information that David has been promoting and I sincerely hope the class action unveils the level of corporate misconduct that AMP has engaged in with the full support of their board and the now, exit stage right, De Ferrari.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      my insider tells me the class action is a dogs breakfast

      Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      They are desperate.

      Reply
  13. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Any news about whether AMP requires advisers’ firstborns as well?

    Reply
    • It would be funny if it wasn't says:
      5 years ago

      They did ask for a guarantee from my grand mother who had dementia because she was recorded as a possible beneficiary. Luckily we changed that structure.

      Reply
    • Felix says:
      5 years ago

      No, they are too old and have little resale value. They’ll take a grandkid as security over their loan though.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        Now the firstborns are old and poor!

        Reply
  14. anon says:
    5 years ago

    and right there is the problem with the liscencee regime why the hell is AMP able to decide if they can be liscenced the regulator should be doing that. no other profession needs to go to a third party why should we. Get rid of the liscencee model period it is toxic and they have way too much power.

    Reply
  15. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    What a disgusting organisation AMP is; I am ex-IOOF and I thought they were bad!

    Reply
  16. Desmond Netto says:
    5 years ago

    My understanding is that while an employee is on Workers Compensation the employer cannot terminate their employment. Similarly, while there is a class action taking place can AMP terminate an Adviser ?

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      AMP planners are not employed by AMP, but licensed through them with legal contracts outlining the business relationship. AMP have broken these contracts, stolen the businesses for a fraction of their value, resold them (including compliance breaches) for a profit and then banned these Advisers from their industry for 3 years, basically leaving them under a pile of debt and mentally destroyed… nice people, NOT!

      Reply
  17. Paidamp Toleave says:
    5 years ago

    What a shameful organisation

    Reply
  18. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Hearing IOOf did the same yesterday to a group of advisers of a lIcensee they are closing.

    Reply
    • AN says:
      5 years ago

      Please, we need to hear more about this, what did IOOF do and which group?

      Reply

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