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‘AFSLs need to stand on their own two feet’: IOOF

The recent restructure of IOOF’s AFSLs has been the wealth giant’s response to a changing industry, with its chief of advice reporting the group is hoping to lure MLC’s advisers with its investments across its technology and reformed business model.

by Staff Writer
September 9, 2020
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Last week, IOOF signalled it would be reshuffling its AFSLs under a new structure as part of its Advice 2.0 overhaul. Brands Lonsdale, Millenium3 and IOOF Alliances are now being housed in an integrated advice group, while Ri Advice and Consultum Financial Advisers are under a second category around holistic advice.

The Bridges business is converting to a salaried model, while the FSP, Executive Wealth Management and Actuate brands have been shuttered.

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IOOF chief officer of advice Darren Whereat told ifa that like others in the market, the group was examining the sustainability of its advice practices in a fluctuating sector. According to the advice lead, the IOOF vision of a sustainable advice business will be more corporatised, hold more than one authorised representative and use technology to boost client engagement and efficiency.

“Everybody is looking at sustainability if you’re the owner of an AFSL,” Mr Whereat said.

“The product subsidies of the years gone by and cross subsidisation are disappearing, or they’ve very nearly disappeared out of everybody’s P&L and therefore, the AFSL needs to stand on its own two feet without any product subsidies. We’re in support of that model and part of the changes that we’ve made is actually acknowledged that and making sure that we are structure properly and we actually are a sustainable organisation in terms of our multi-brand that we’re running in this space.

“I think it’s a good thing that AFSLs need to stand on their own two feet. That is, the proposition needs to be about advice and advice only, and I think that’s a good thing for the industry.”

He added that IOOF is in discussions with practices about their future in the industry and what they are going to do. The group reportedly has already facilitated a number of the smaller practices consolidating.

During the June quarter, two ex-ANZ aligned licensees had exited the group, taking $155 million in client money with them, while 12 smaller practices departed with $115 million.

Courting MLC advisers

IOOF has not bought the MLC licensees as part of its recent $1.4 billion acquisition of the NAB wealth group, forgoing exposure to any attached historic remediation issues or disruption to any ongoing refund programs. Mr Whereat added that the group had also made the decision as its advice segment had been set on streamlining the business.

The self-employed MLC advisers will be given the choice of transitioning over to any IOOF brand of their liking. If all of the 538 advisers were to join the company, IOOF’s number would jump to 1,884, making it the largest advice provider, ahead of AMP’s total of 1,847.

Mr Whereat commented that the group would like to home all of the advisers, but he added he wasn’t naïve, saying, “We’re not arrogant enough to think that we’re everyone’s cup of tea.”

The group’s value proposition to the MLC advisers will promise investment around technology, tools, staff and processes, as well as a monitoring supervision framework to keep them meeting compliance obligations.

“We believe that our offer is compelling, particularly around our technology … one that is working and one that’s being used by advisers at this stage and we’ll continue to invest in that over the next number of years,” Mr Whereat said.

“We think that’s going to be something that really will enhance the ability for advice to become more affordable and more accessible.

“For us it’s about making sure that we’re visible over the next period of time to the MLC advisers, including helping them understand what IOOF Advice stands for and why we believe that we can make advice more engaging and efficient for them, help them understand what our roadmap is. And we’re hoping based upon that decision and IOOF’s commitment to advice as an institution, that they’ll elect to partner with us.”

When asked about how IOOF’s size as an advice business could affect its ethos, Mr Whereat referred to the multi-brand strategy.

“How do you operate big and at scale without losing that intimacy? I just think you need to recognise that the reality is we have multiple brands that have multiple communities in it,” he said.

“So long as those brands have a value proposition and can operate at scale.”

Mr Whereat reported the feedback from IOOF advisers to the Advice 2.0 changes had been positive, particularly in response to its planned technology updates. There are no further changes to be expected from Advice 2.0, the advice chief said, with the plan now being to implement the reforms.

“We’ve been walking our advisory boards through the need for change, particularly around the AFSL sustainability, our desire for better client engagement and our ability to work with them around some tech to make them more efficient,” he said.

“We’ve been on this journey, probably for 18 months in terms of our assurance and governance program.”

The technology investments, which the group is aiming to underpin and improve adviser efficiency, he noted, will make advice more affordable and accessible. The group recently completed its acquisition of wealth management software Wealth Central, which chief executive Renato Mota had called a differentiating technology and an “important piece in the Advice 2.0 puzzle”.

“I’m very interested in technology that can enhance the client engagement process so clients are becoming much more engaged with the process and understand the trade-offs,” Mr Whereat said.

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Comments 29

  1. Anon says:
    5 years ago

    One can only assume that all of these IOOF advisers will have an open APL………bet they don’t.

    Reply
  2. James from Elwood says:
    5 years ago

    The whole industry is built on a fraud – all they are allowed to do is provide ways to lower tax rather than a comprehensive get rich slowly plan which is what people actually need.

    Reply
  3. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Question, is it best to leave asap or stay around to see if it works? Concerned for the future of advice and my clients…

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      That depends on many factors on your current position and base.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        What? like do you keep the BMW and keep flogging IOOF products and get FASEA and a Royal Commission versus paying full freight for everything and being highly regarded by both Australians and your peers. I guess some of us would take the BMW. Looking back I should have taken the BMW.

        Reply
        • anonymous says:
          5 years ago

          yeah but you can still have fancy socks.

          Reply
        • Anonymous says:
          5 years ago

          Do people still waste money on bmw’s

          Reply
    • Michelle says:
      5 years ago

      What a load of rubbish. You don’t join a licensees above, for what’s best for the clients. Stop thinking about that BMW. If you cared for clients, you would not have joined a licensee owned by a product manufacturer in the first place. Face it, you’ll do what’s best for your hip pocket first, and best for your clients, the industry second. If you start by changing that order in every decision you make, you’ll find you won’t have to rely on a subsidized advice model.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        Michelle are you hiring ?

        Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        Have all those businesses been owned by a product manufacturer from day one?

        Reply
    • Anon says:
      5 years ago

      If you can get your own AFSL, and take your clients with you, do it pronto. It is a cheaper, simpler, less conflicted model anyway, and the barriers to exit from IOOF are likely to creep up the longer you wait.

      Your clients will be far happier if you are outside the control of a product company too. (Ask some for their opinion on the issue before you switch over if you’re in any doubt.)

      Reply
  4. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    Some of the most conflicted and cross subsidized licensee’s in financial advice there. Those businesses used every trick in the book to get more FUM. Thankfully, I broke free of their North Korean brainwashing training programs and their cults when I accidentally stumbled upon their tricks to get more FUM FUM FUM. (insert reply… “but you’re wrong we can use any platform and wide open APL” comments here). Insert response, “you poor misguided and used soles.”

    Reply
  5. Anon says:
    5 years ago

    If you are a good, sustainable practice you don’t need an institution to hold your hand. Go and get your own AFSL, keep it simple and relevant for your clients. The only reason these institutions keep subsidising distribution is because they could not compete otherwise. No “tied or influenced” distribution and FUM disappears very quickly so does the share price.

    Reply
  6. Angus says:
    5 years ago

    Well, at least it gives AMP a day off!

    Reply
  7. Sickofit says:
    5 years ago

    Wow could anymore crap come out of his mouth. Anyone that has had anything to do with this lot knows how incompetent this whole process has been.

    Hey Darren how about you show us the actual number of advisers that are happy with how you lot have treated them and handled all of this?

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      That would be a big fat zero Sickofit …. the planner exits from MLC and IOOF over the next 12 to 18 months will comfortably surpass AMP’s exits !!

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        Are we a bit grumpy because the gravy train of cross subsidization that propped up your business model is coming to an end? Perhaps, finally realizing that you were really just selling products and using advice as a tool to sell even more products. I honestly can’t believe in 2020 why anyone would want to be licensed under a product manufacture.

        Reply
        • Anon says:
          5 years ago

          Love to see how many NAB FP advisers and mid management get shown the door now.

          Reply
        • Anonymous says:
          5 years ago

          Well in theory the so called gravy train hasn’t ended it has just changed names yet again.

          Reply
    • Tall poppy says:
      5 years ago

      And you have the numbers to prove otherwise? You sound like someone who might have been shown the door during the transition.

      Reply
      • Anonymous says:
        5 years ago

        Nope no door shown here, just a person who knows how much is not being told in this story.

        Reply
  8. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    I still can’t see a business model for a licensee with astronomical compliance costs and no ability to make money except charging advisers high fees, something I can’t see being sustainable.

    IOOF feels more and more like AMP, just faster. Bigger and bigger and more and more vulnerable.

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      Might you be suggesting that the financial planning as an industry is dead?

      Reply
      • No says:
        5 years ago

        This business plan is dead, but the industry is very much alive, sorry to dissapoint you anon. We will be here for a long time yet.

        Reply
  9. Anonymous says:
    5 years ago

    What happened to Bridges? The Bridges advisers will all be employed – did IOOF force them to sell their clients back to IOOF or only those ‘owned’ by IOOF or did something else happen?

    Reply
    • Anonymous says:
      5 years ago

      They will force them to sell their clients at a significant discount to IOOF OR “encourage” them to move to another IOOF Dealer Group OR make it very difficult for them to leave and take their clients. Must read the small print!

      Reply
      • sickofit says:
        5 years ago

        Pretty much has it covered there.

        Reply
  10. asking for a " friend " says:
    5 years ago

    are IOOF going to pay retention amounts like they have to ANZ practices that are vesting this year ?? Is that allowed anymore ??

    Reply
  11. Anon says:
    5 years ago

    Hey IOOF, if cross subsidisation has dissapeared, why do you still have Dealer Groups in your stable that only have on their APL either IOOF Platforms or an external platform where IOOF collects part of the Admin Fee?

    Reply

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